Hi Im Luke Mendes an indigenous inhabitant of Bombay / Mumbai which is really known historically as Mobaim . The Portuguese and the Moguls learnt the native tongue of Kokni to preach their philosophy to the natives. They learnt many words from the native tongue of Kokni. Kokni is prevalent in the Kokan region - a region stretching from Kerala to Karachi. Kokan is older than the concept of India itself.
Since many wanted to rule the land of sages / philosophers [Kokan], we have had many invasions. The Aryans / Hindus [Whose origin lies in Persia], Alexander the Great, The Moghuls, The Portuguese, The British and Now the Maharashtrian. Like all rulers - their subjects have to pay taxes and feed their rulers. We have been doing it since time memorial and even now.
Marathi is a relatively new language dated till 350 years ago. The mountain language didnt have a very large vocabulary. But ever since the invasion of the Aryans [Hindus / Sindhus], the native culture has taken some shape to last this long. The language was improved upon. All tribal / indigenous beliefs were adopted into the new culture of Hinduism. Since the Brahmins borrowed many words from other existing languages, they were credited for creating the language of Marathi - A "purer" form of Kokni since there were many dialects in the Kokan adn hence uniformity was needed just like Hindi is today.
For want of uniformity Marathi became the norm of language for Maharashtra and for Kokan too.
More likely to be historical than the tradition that the apostle Thomas himself went to Inida is the claim of Eusebius of Caesarea that Pantaenus, the head of the Christian exegetical school in Alexandria, Egypt went to India during the reign of the Emperor Commodus and found that Christians already existed in India, and that these Christians were using a version of the Gospel of Matthew with "Hebrew letters." This is plausibly a reference to the earliest Indian churches using the Syriac New Testament, which we know to have been the case. Pantaenus' evidence thus indicates that Syriac-speaking Christians had already evangelized parts of India by the late second century.
Although little is known of the immediate growth of the church, Bar-Daisan (A.D. 154-223) reports that in his time there were Christian tribes in North India which claimed to have been converted by Thomas and to have books and relics to prove it. But at least by the time of the establishment of the Second Persian Empire (A.D. 226), there were bishops of the Church of the East in northwest India, Afghanistan and Baluchistan, with laymen and clergy alike engaging in missionary activity.
The Proselytising activities of the Church of Thomas and Bartholomew travelled from the south to the north, spreading Christianity along the way which is the western and central areas of India.
The Western region being Mobaim / Mumbai [Bombay]. Being followers of Buddhism, the locals found the teaching of Christianity similar to their existing faith. Hence their conversion was with little effort.
The whole idea of mentioning this fact is because the Portuguese had heard of this history and wanted to genuinely revive Christianity. With the help of their rulers or queens, the Portuguese had made various deals with the Moguls in matters of trade and administration.
The above research and etymological connections prove that the natives were first century Christians. Prior to that they were Buddhists and prior to that they were Hindus.
What makes the natives of Mobaim unique? Their skill for survival and their ability to not succumb to plagues and diseases easily, their ability for foresight and adaptation to rulers and faiths, all this to maintain continuity – hence till date they exist.
Indigenous peoples were tagged as East Indians to identify them from the Goans and Mangaloreans who migrated to Mobaim for work opportunity. The British cited this difference and to preserve the unique identity and heritage of the natives they termed them as East Indians. Placing them apart from the Native American Indians of the west, they coined this term maintaining order in the ‘Company’ accounts about its resources and places. The term West Indies was named so, because Christopher Columbus was headed to the Indies in the east but landed there among a cluster of islands off the Americas.
Hence the term East Indian in no way refers to the people of the east of India, but refers to the Indigenous peoples of Bombay / Mumbai / Mobaim [Real Name]. The British wanted to remove everything Portuguese from India and hence renamed Mobaim [real name] to Bombay.
So this here is the introduction of the East Indian name. I will follow up with more info when needed. There is a website being prepared. If you do like my research kindly let me know. If there's need for some correction to be done let me know. But please mention your references. Lets never go by Hearsay.
[Minor correction done by myself since the last input]
Added today - May 31 2012.
Many Catholic researchers and clergy alter history for their own vested interest to maintain the Church's authority on events in history.
Here is one discrepancy.
The Catholic Church referring to a letter by a Bishop, says that the same Bishop found the ancient Bible written in Aramaic. This was the Book of Mathew left by Bartholomew.
Bartholomew did arrive here in the first century AD. But he learnt the native tongue of Kokni and then preached the word in native Kokni. This book was memorised by the natives. The ancient custom of maintaining sacred texts was through memory since no paper could last for a long time. The Bark of the banana leaf too has its own shelf life. The Ancient Tibetan Texts are on the bark of the banana leaf, but that climate there permitted it to be stored for so long. Its like a perpetual freezer in Tibet. While here in the coastline of the Kokan nothing lasts for so long without it deteriorating. Hence one cant find such a book here. The Portuguese did learn that there were native Christians who were without a Book and without a Church. So now where did this book come from? Wars usually destroyed almost everything. There was no book in Aramaic in the Kokan. They did have a book in memory called the 'Christa Puran'. All old texts were given the title of 'Puran'. This Puran was memorised like how the Kuran was memorised to maintain continuity.
Devanagri. Deva = Gods, Nagri = Land. This land was the Kokan and it was the land of Philosophers. The Godly man was called 'Devmanus'. The Vedas are indigenous to the Kokan and not an import like the Gita is. The Christi Puran is an import from Palestine, but the natives adopted it. They also kept the Vedas close to them. They also kept their tribal / indigenous values close to them. Max Muller [German Christian Philosopher] is the first one to translate the Rig Vedas from Sanskrit. The British assigned him the task.
Max Muller and other Philosophers credited the Vedas to be of Indigenous Origin namely to the Kokan and it's people. And not of Aryan / Hindu / Brahmin decent.
National Geographic Society have taken samples for gene testing and found that Our tribes have existed for more than 65,000 years in these co-ordinates = 72 degrees East.
Just 35,000 years earlier, there was an enormous Volcanic eruption that formed the islands called Mobain / Mobaim [m- being the accent on devanagri 'ya' - ] [People's Mother] Mob = People, Ain / Aim = Mother.
So from today - 100,000 years ago there was a massive Volcano that erupted and formed the seven islands. Our tribes originated here in these co-ordinates 'more than' 65,000 years ago. There's a crazy debate in the intellectual community that were these tribes the first humans, If so then whole of History will change. Because our land is credited for inventing the wheel and astronomy. All dates will go for a toss. Just like Edison took credit for the light bulb, when it was in fact Nikola Tesla's brain child. Just because something gets published in the History Books it does not mean that it is credible. It is a stepping stone though to verify it through a parallel study of events occurring at that time.
These notes are for the indigenous people of the Kokan, they must do more research in order to appreciate their heritage. The world did hence they arrived here from far out places. Its time we understand our heritage that we were not merely Hunters / Gatherers and that the Invading Aryans gave us the Gita / Mahabharata to give us politics and culture. We have had a great interaction with the creator thru various means which needs to be researched or questioned. Questions put to our own people, from stories of old, from ageing parents who passed on vital information from Parents to children.
Will keep you updated on more on this. Till then stay proud of your indigenous heritage.
Since many wanted to rule the land of sages / philosophers [Kokan], we have had many invasions. The Aryans / Hindus [Whose origin lies in Persia], Alexander the Great, The Moghuls, The Portuguese, The British and Now the Maharashtrian. Like all rulers - their subjects have to pay taxes and feed their rulers. We have been doing it since time memorial and even now.
Marathi is a relatively new language dated till 350 years ago. The mountain language didnt have a very large vocabulary. But ever since the invasion of the Aryans [Hindus / Sindhus], the native culture has taken some shape to last this long. The language was improved upon. All tribal / indigenous beliefs were adopted into the new culture of Hinduism. Since the Brahmins borrowed many words from other existing languages, they were credited for creating the language of Marathi - A "purer" form of Kokni since there were many dialects in the Kokan adn hence uniformity was needed just like Hindi is today.
For want of uniformity Marathi became the norm of language for Maharashtra and for Kokan too.
Now It is true that there were first century Christians here in Mobaim , where influences of St Bartholomew and St. Thomas were strong. Whatever remnants of Churches and Cohesive new bodies [Churches merging with Temples to evolve] were destroyed. The Hindus destroyed all these cohesive elements to preserve its purity and originality. But they were not aware that religion is an evolving philosophy - evolving with time.
As with early Christianity in the Roman Empire, it is assumed that the initial converts were largely Jewish proselytes among the Cochin Jews who are believed to have arrived in India around 562BC, after the destruction of the First Temple. Many of these Jews presumably spoke Aramaic like St. Thomas, also a Jew by birth, who is credited by tradition with evangelizing India.More likely to be historical than the tradition that the apostle Thomas himself went to Inida is the claim of Eusebius of Caesarea that Pantaenus, the head of the Christian exegetical school in Alexandria, Egypt went to India during the reign of the Emperor Commodus and found that Christians already existed in India, and that these Christians were using a version of the Gospel of Matthew with "Hebrew letters." This is plausibly a reference to the earliest Indian churches using the Syriac New Testament, which we know to have been the case. Pantaenus' evidence thus indicates that Syriac-speaking Christians had already evangelized parts of India by the late second century.
Although little is known of the immediate growth of the church, Bar-Daisan (A.D. 154-223) reports that in his time there were Christian tribes in North India which claimed to have been converted by Thomas and to have books and relics to prove it. But at least by the time of the establishment of the Second Persian Empire (A.D. 226), there were bishops of the Church of the East in northwest India, Afghanistan and Baluchistan, with laymen and clergy alike engaging in missionary activity.
The Proselytising activities of the Church of Thomas and Bartholomew travelled from the south to the north, spreading Christianity along the way which is the western and central areas of India.
The Western region being Mobaim / Mumbai [Bombay]. Being followers of Buddhism, the locals found the teaching of Christianity similar to their existing faith. Hence their conversion was with little effort.
The whole idea of mentioning this fact is because the Portuguese had heard of this history and wanted to genuinely revive Christianity. With the help of their rulers or queens, the Portuguese had made various deals with the Moguls in matters of trade and administration.
The above research and etymological connections prove that the natives were first century Christians. Prior to that they were Buddhists and prior to that they were Hindus.
What makes the natives of Mobaim unique? Their skill for survival and their ability to not succumb to plagues and diseases easily, their ability for foresight and adaptation to rulers and faiths, all this to maintain continuity – hence till date they exist.
Indigenous peoples were tagged as East Indians to identify them from the Goans and Mangaloreans who migrated to Mobaim for work opportunity. The British cited this difference and to preserve the unique identity and heritage of the natives they termed them as East Indians. Placing them apart from the Native American Indians of the west, they coined this term maintaining order in the ‘Company’ accounts about its resources and places. The term West Indies was named so, because Christopher Columbus was headed to the Indies in the east but landed there among a cluster of islands off the Americas.
Hence the term East Indian in no way refers to the people of the east of India, but refers to the Indigenous peoples of Bombay / Mumbai / Mobaim [Real Name]. The British wanted to remove everything Portuguese from India and hence renamed Mobaim [real name] to Bombay.
So this here is the introduction of the East Indian name. I will follow up with more info when needed. There is a website being prepared. If you do like my research kindly let me know. If there's need for some correction to be done let me know. But please mention your references. Lets never go by Hearsay.
[Minor correction done by myself since the last input]
Added today - May 31 2012.
Many Catholic researchers and clergy alter history for their own vested interest to maintain the Church's authority on events in history.
Here is one discrepancy.
The Catholic Church referring to a letter by a Bishop, says that the same Bishop found the ancient Bible written in Aramaic. This was the Book of Mathew left by Bartholomew.
Bartholomew did arrive here in the first century AD. But he learnt the native tongue of Kokni and then preached the word in native Kokni. This book was memorised by the natives. The ancient custom of maintaining sacred texts was through memory since no paper could last for a long time. The Bark of the banana leaf too has its own shelf life. The Ancient Tibetan Texts are on the bark of the banana leaf, but that climate there permitted it to be stored for so long. Its like a perpetual freezer in Tibet. While here in the coastline of the Kokan nothing lasts for so long without it deteriorating. Hence one cant find such a book here. The Portuguese did learn that there were native Christians who were without a Book and without a Church. So now where did this book come from? Wars usually destroyed almost everything. There was no book in Aramaic in the Kokan. They did have a book in memory called the 'Christa Puran'. All old texts were given the title of 'Puran'. This Puran was memorised like how the Kuran was memorised to maintain continuity.
Devanagri. Deva = Gods, Nagri = Land. This land was the Kokan and it was the land of Philosophers. The Godly man was called 'Devmanus'. The Vedas are indigenous to the Kokan and not an import like the Gita is. The Christi Puran is an import from Palestine, but the natives adopted it. They also kept the Vedas close to them. They also kept their tribal / indigenous values close to them. Max Muller [German Christian Philosopher] is the first one to translate the Rig Vedas from Sanskrit. The British assigned him the task.
Max Muller and other Philosophers credited the Vedas to be of Indigenous Origin namely to the Kokan and it's people. And not of Aryan / Hindu / Brahmin decent.
National Geographic Society have taken samples for gene testing and found that Our tribes have existed for more than 65,000 years in these co-ordinates = 72 degrees East.
Just 35,000 years earlier, there was an enormous Volcanic eruption that formed the islands called Mobain / Mobaim [m- being the accent on devanagri 'ya' - ] [People's Mother] Mob = People, Ain / Aim = Mother.
So from today - 100,000 years ago there was a massive Volcano that erupted and formed the seven islands. Our tribes originated here in these co-ordinates 'more than' 65,000 years ago. There's a crazy debate in the intellectual community that were these tribes the first humans, If so then whole of History will change. Because our land is credited for inventing the wheel and astronomy. All dates will go for a toss. Just like Edison took credit for the light bulb, when it was in fact Nikola Tesla's brain child. Just because something gets published in the History Books it does not mean that it is credible. It is a stepping stone though to verify it through a parallel study of events occurring at that time.
These notes are for the indigenous people of the Kokan, they must do more research in order to appreciate their heritage. The world did hence they arrived here from far out places. Its time we understand our heritage that we were not merely Hunters / Gatherers and that the Invading Aryans gave us the Gita / Mahabharata to give us politics and culture. We have had a great interaction with the creator thru various means which needs to be researched or questioned. Questions put to our own people, from stories of old, from ageing parents who passed on vital information from Parents to children.
Will keep you updated on more on this. Till then stay proud of your indigenous heritage.
